Not all Blah-g readers make it over to Dr. Riddlebarger's Riddleblog so I wanted to post this article here...the original source is from Christianity Today. The article basically exposes the Calvary Chapel model of church government "Moses-Aaron Paradigm"...really makes you thankful to be in a church that takes government seriously on behalf of the flock of God.
Just to give ya'll a little taste here this is classic:
"Other churchgoers say Calvary Chapel pastors also don't like to be questioned. During the investigation for this article, Smith cautioned CT's reporter: "The Lord warns, 'Don't touch my anointed. Do my prophet no harm.' I think that you are trying to do harm to the work of God. I surely wouldn't want to be in your shoes."
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Don't mess with Calvary. There might be some fire from heaven coming.
I just stumbled upon the blog but I would have to agree and disagree with the CT article. There are some pastors in calvary who might only say there accoutable to God which in a sense is true for all of us since we cant know the true motives of eachothers hearts. With that said I knoe there are many Calvary's that the pastor is held accountable by a board of some sort. Ours being one of them. It is sad that some pastors have fallen into sin and are blined by there own sin, But what about the other 1,000 churches who havent. We only see what the media wants us to see and forget God is still using many denominations to do His work. The enemy wants us to focus on all the bad things cause then are eyes are on man not God. So I agree that all pastors need accountability to God and people and that all Christians need to call sin "sin". I disagree that we can peg all Calvary's as theis Moses model church with one man Lording over all which the Bible has alot to say about that and I go to a Calvary that is a good balance of One man leading the flock through accountability and wise counsel. God Bless1
Our family is embroiled yet again, with a young man who "believes" through divinely arranged circumstances; that he was "called' to be the "Pastor" of a Calvary Chapel church plant in our town.
When we first arrived here; we had hope that this young man was seriously applying all the scripture and doctrines set forth by the Apostles... and not Chuck Smith. Sadly, he has, in short order; pursued a "Moses Model" approach to priestly responsibilities with "his church."
With no elder board or inside accountability; it was to be a matter of time before the cracks would begin to show... and show they did.
Insecurity, bad counsel from outside board members not associated with the fellowship, no elders and a Moses mentality - all explicit distinctive of Chuck Smith's Calvary Chapel movement was a disaster waiting to happen. It has... again.
After nearly 35 years of walking with Jesus Christ - I have come to believe that "church" is simple; encourages each believer's use of giftings in accordance with sound doctrine and oversight by men aged by the use of God's Word.
A Pastor? Simply a bible teacher (and gifted as such) with a genuine burden to instruct according to scripture and maturing along with his fellow laborers- Jesus Christ as the Head and the Holy Spirit, the teacher.
What is the normal response when a young man thinks he is a Pastor because the 'system" anointed him so; that the movement might expand? As this young pastor stated succinctly, "I am just protecting the pulpit."
No. He is protecting he title of "Moses." Sadly, this is being repeated across the American church landscape. It is time for a reformation; a return to the first century church described in the Book of Acts and the epistles to the churches scattered throughout Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and beyond - wherever believers assembled from house to house.
Note: Christianity Today published an interview it did with Calvary Chapel's founder, Chuck Smith.
Our church was all but destroyed by a Moses model pastor. He rid the church of its board, wrote up his own statement of faith and every family but two there when he came are now gone. He ejected people from ministries. His wife excommunicated people. Two worship bands in succession left. The elders left.
Not all Calvary Chapels are like this, but the Moses model is a breeding ground for absolute authority and the abuse that go with it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Going verse by verse doesn't save you from this. Wish the church had never become a Calvary Chapel.
We just left a Calvary Chapel..what can i say? The Moses Model leads to spiritual abuse in my opinion..it is wrong...Moses was the meekest man on the earth and a forerunner type of Christ..no man today has that mantle..David rebuked Saul but did not kill him when he could have..that is not touching God's annointed..
In 1 Timothy, Paul talks the qualifications of a bishop/overseer...episkopos in the Greek. In Titus, Paul uses the same uses the term episkopos and presbyteros (elder) interchangeably to describe the same qualifications. In Acts 20, Luke uses the terms presbyteros and episkopos interchangeably. Are elders and overseers/pastors one and the same?
Paul uses the terms interchangeably and describes a plurality of elders in each church (Titus 1:5, 7)
Luke uses the terms interchangeably and describes a plurality of elders in each church (Acts 14:23; 15:2, 6, 22, 23; 16:4; 20:17; 21:18).
James uses the term presybteros, and describes a plurality of elders in each church (James 5:14).
Peter only uses the term presbyteros to refer to himself and to the leaders of the church (1 Peter 5:1, 5). He uses the term episkopos to refer to Christ (1 Peter 2:25).
John refers to himself as an elder (presbyteros) (2 John 1:1, 3 John 1).
The term episkopos is only listed six times in the New Testament, once being used to refer to Christ by Peter and two times used immediately interchangeably with presbyteros. It is only used three times alone (Philipians 1:1 and 1 Timothy 3:1, 2); however, later in 1 Timothy 5:17 and 19, Paul also uses the term presbyteros to refer to the rulers of the church. Also, 1 Timothy was written to Timothy in Ephesus. The Ephesian church was ruled by multiple elders (presbyteros -Acts 20:17). So in 1 Timothy, Paul was using the terms interchangeably.
So this leaves Phliipians 1:1 (Paul writing) as the only place in the NT that uses the term episkopos alone. However, that same verse refers to multiple overseers ruling the church.
Conversely, the term presybteros is uses sixteen times to refer to the rulers of the NT church. It is used in the plural, indicating that there were a plurality of elders who ruled together in each individual church.
My conclusion...episkopos and presbyteros are the same thing. Elder/bishop/overseer all refer to the same office. The NT churches were each ruled by a group of elders, also called bishops and overseers. The NT model for the church is to be ruled by elders.
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